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The Book of Abramelin With Georg Dehn

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In this episode of Mageia Podcast I have on Georg Dehn with the only first and English interview. He is the compiler to "The Book of Abramelin". Stephen Guth, who sadly passed, translated the work regarding the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. In this particular video Georg Dehn talks about Worms, Germany and his journey to Araki, Egypyt. He also goes into who he thinks Abram Von Worms is from the book. It was Aleister Crowley and Mcgregor Mathers who had their own translated version of this book, which was highly corrupted, called The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage. It was with Crowley; influence in the Thelema and OTO that this book was shot to popularity and curiosity.
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TM3000 (23 days ago)
I liked Mathers version much much more. It filled me with so much spiritual life and uplifted my spirit. I couldn't use another version. Yet, everybody is different, I think use which version works best for you :)
The Logos of Ophiel (23 days ago)
This version has the squares completed with the spirit names and the added book mathers missed :)
Archduke (2 months ago)
So is the Mathers version good or not?
TM3000 (4 days ago)
+The Logos of Ophiel the book is a spiritual journey. You may be a very comfortable using the version that you use, but everybody has a different path to walk. So no two people are going to be the same
The Logos of Ophiel (4 days ago)
This is not about feelings, Mather's version is just incomplete.
The Logos of Ophiel (4 days ago)
Mather's was supposed simply a pompous scholar who wanted his stamp on grimoires, even if they were sloppily done.
TM3000 (23 days ago)
Look I read both versions. To me the Mathers version is the real translation, it filled me with spiritual life. Unfortunately, other version i found to be quite troubling to my spirit. But yes with one exception, I think I did look at the squares, and I found the Dehn version more appropriate. I don't use the squares or participate in the ritual itself, but I found the flying squares to have some more interesting wording in the version that wasn't the Mathers (Dehn?) I would say try reading them both, and use which version appeals more to you. I couldn't use any other version besides for Mathers. Yet everybody is different, some people will like a different version much more.
xbertocoaylax (25 days ago)
I guessing he saved some things for initiates. Or figured one should be versed enough to figure out.
anvil hammer (4 months ago)
Because satan is the the foe of God and man. To believe or say other makes you either ignorant of this fact or a deciever.
Pr Ri (6 months ago)
Awsome!
Master Therion (9 months ago)
In his book " Magic without tears". In the chapter concerning talismans
The Logos of Ophiel (9 months ago)
Master Therion thanks for the source. I do not always agree with Crowley. Mathers was his own downfall as was Crowley.
Master Therion (9 months ago)
The squares only to be used AFTER the knowledge and conversation has occured.or if u intend on doing the work. Either way the angel will give you the information needed to bind the princes even if u dont have the info in the squares, once communication with him is established.
The Logos of Ophiel (9 months ago)
Master Therion you are very welcome.
Master Therion (9 months ago)
That's very interesting . That could be true he was known to put on public rituals which would indicate his large ego. We'll leave it all to speculation. Thank you for sharing this video as the HGA is a scarcely spoken of subject. The work your guest has done regarding his research into this book, it's history and his traveling's is truly amazing.
The Logos of Ophiel (9 months ago)
There is a actually a hierarchy in the squares you have to work with, the squares are spirit names for the entities you have to conquer, there are more than the 4 princes. The Squares complete the Abramelin Demonology. The Four Princes are just the start if you read the book , there are 300 plus other demons
Master Therion (9 months ago)
it suprises me that you don't know why the squares were left blank In the Mathers version. Those squares call on very dark powers. As Crowley said himself. The demons of abramelin come unsought. "A late composer of genius once engraved one of these squares on his sleeve to get his wife to come back to him and it worked well enough. A few months later he killed himself"
anvil hammer (4 months ago)
But that can happen to anybody that has a wife.
Master Therion (9 months ago)
In his autobiography he speaks of Mathers and the whole thing.
The Logos of Ophiel (9 months ago)
Where did Crowley say this?
Master Therion (9 months ago)
Crowley attributed the fall of Mathers to the translation of the book and the use of the squares.
The Logos of Ophiel (9 months ago)
Mather's was an egomaniac who tailored translations to his ideology. He had a messed up manuscript and did a a guestimate on the squares. I was merely addressing the question to Dehn himself. I highly doubt that the dark powers was only reason, there were many bad translations and inflated egos.
Mrs. Lovely Pendragon (11 months ago)
OMG I AM SOOOOOOO HAPPY I FOUND THIS!!!!! Super synchronicity with finding your channel and then finding this video! I just got the book and so this is perfect!
The Logos of Ophiel (11 months ago)
I try to make vest informative content I possibly can
Mrs. Lovely Pendragon (11 months ago)
Amazing that you were able to talk to him! I just love your channel and the content is so helpful and encouraging! Thanks for doing what you do!
The Logos of Ophiel (11 months ago)
Mrs. Lovely Pendragon I am so glad you like it
The Modern Hermeticist (11 months ago)
13:59 - typically, and I learned this from Sophie Page's 'Magic in the Cloister', the magic squares were "neutered" by the monks who copied them in order to break their magic power - the thing is that many of the people copying the works just knew what squares had what numbers in them, so it became a kind of shit-test for wisemen (if you're a true sage, you'll know what goes in the squares, if not, you shouldn't be dabbling in magic - so we don't need to fill them in).
The Modern Hermeticist (11 months ago)
...I suppose it didn't have to be monks, just anyone involved in transmission
The Modern Hermeticist (11 months ago)
This is the translation that's on my PhD reading list since all the other ones don't really cut the mustard. Thanks for your work Georg.
The Logos of Ophiel (11 months ago)
You are very welcome! Dehn is a true genius.
The Modern Hermeticist (11 months ago)
...and thank you too Vayu, this is the kind of quality material we need on occult-tube

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