Are there circumstances under which a murderer deserves the death penalty? In other words, should capital punishment be abolished or not? Dennis Prager explains.
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There are almost no issues where I don’t understand both sides: taxation, the size of government, abortion, socialism, capitalism. As strongly as I feel about any issue, I understand the opposition.
But there is an exception: the death penalty for murder. Here, the gulf is unbridgeable between those of us who believe that some murderers – and I emphasize some murderers – should be put to death and those who believe that no murderer should ever be put to death.
Take this example:
On the afternoon of July 23, 2007, in the town of Cheshire, Connecticut, two men broke into the home of Dr. William Petit, his wife Jennifer and his two daughters. The men beat Dr. Petit nearly to death with a baseball bat; one of the men raped the doctor’s wife; and the other man sexually assaulted their 11 year-old daughter, Michaela. The two men then strangled Mrs. Petit to death, tied down the two daughters on beds, doused them with gasoline, and, while the girls were still alive, set the house on fire. Dr. Petit survived, but his wife and daughters did not.
Those opposed to capital punishment believe that these two men have a right to keep their lives. So, is there anything a person can do to deserve the death penalty? To those opposed to capital punishment, the answer is no. In fact, many opponents of capital punishment believe that killing murderers is the same as murder. You heard me right – most opponents equate the murder of an innocent family with putting the murderers of that family to death.
Opponents of capital punishment also argue that keeping all murderers alive sanctifies the value of human life. But the opposite is true. Keeping every murderer alive cheapens human life because it belittles murder. That’s easily proven. Imagine that the punishment for murder were the same as the punishment for driving over the speed limit. Wouldn’t that belittle murder and thereby cheapen human life? Of course, it would. Society teaches how bad an action is by the punishment it metes out.
And what about the pain inflicted on the loved ones of those murdered? For most people, their suffering is immeasurably increased knowing that the person who murdered their family member or friend – and who, in many cases, inflicted unimaginable terror on that person – is alive and being cared for.
Of course, putting the murderer to death doesn’t bring back their loved one, but it sure does provide some sense of justice. That’s why Dr. Petit, a physician whose life is devoted to saving lives, wants the murderers of his wife and daughters put to death. In his words, death "is really the only true just punishment for certain heinous and depraved murders." Is the doctor wrong? Is he immoral? Well, if you think capital punishment is immoral, then Dr. Petit is immoral.
And what about opponents’ argument that an innocent person may be executed? This argument may be sincerely held, but it’s not honest. Why? Because opponents of capital punishment oppose the death penalty even when there is absolute proof of the murderer’s guilt. If there were a video of a man burning a family alive, opponents of capital punishment would still oppose taking that man’s life.
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Video evidence, DNA evidence, bodies in your basement, anything credible that proves you did it beyond a shadow of a doubt then you ought to be fed to the hogs. You dont deserve the luxury of seeing the weekend let alone 13 years in prison.
4:12 Um not to burst your bubble but every hear of the Holy Bible. Ya. Never heard of anything in there about killing. Really. Quick question. Ever heard of something called the, um what was it again. Oh ya, The Ten Commandments? Really! Never heard of them, Wow. Ya one of them says, Oh what was it again. Yes, I remember now. THOU SHALL NOT KILL. Case and point. Thankyou.
The problem is that I dont want my state to have such a enormous power to decide when someone needs to be killed or not. In fact the government should be acting rationally and neutral not overemotional on such topics. I can understand the doctor but it is not helpful to kill people just so he can get his revenge. Thats just mad
While I totally respect you opinion on this topic, I must say that this video doesn't really give any actual points during the reasoning of why the death penalty is moral. The death penalty is just stated as the only moral option for a punishment, while solitary confinement for life somehow isn't. This video's only true argument is to try to appeal to emotion (sorry for my bad English), which is on of the logical fallacies.
I think having any opinion on this is fair enough but I really hope that nobody allows senseless arguments like these to influence their opinion.
DEATH PENALTY ; the term is an Oxymoron. Death is a part of Life ; not any "Penalty". Doctors give innocent people "death penalties" , every week ! "You have cancer, or , you have kidney failure , etc , etc , etc... "
I think the murders deserve to have their lives so to let them taste the suffering of the doctor by whatever method of torture without any exception. However, by executing the murders, they are only dead which means that they will suffer for a few minutes.
"If knowing and understanding the violent crimes that the people sentenced for the death penalty *does not* fill you with a boiling anger or resentment, there's definitely something (psychologically) wrong with you" -Jordan B. Peterson
+Lobito219 0 I don't honestly think you've ever worked inside maximum security prison if you think its comfortable, they sleep well, and they're fed well. Perhaps they may be free from the responsibilities of life, but at what cost? Practically any freedom.
+TombWraith I don't believe revenge should be the rooted in a civilized society either, not so much to say that it supersedes all of people's morals and values, DESPITE the fact that the idea itself has always been a part in Western culture/society (Lex Talionis: An eye for an eye). I can agree that even the worst demon *might* not deserve death, but they certainly don't deserve to live life comfortably in a cell where they can sleep well, being fed regularly, and being free from most if not all of the responsibilities of life
+Lobito219 0 Ehh, not in all cases, though I by no means think he's the crackpot people portray him as.
If it was wrong, a majority of victims and families would be pro capital punishment. That is not the case. Now, that is not to say all families are anti death penalty, but a majority of them are for a reason.
It's not a perversion. Revenge should not be rooted in a civilized society. Never did I say they belong in society. I simply stated they do NOT deserve death.
+TombWraith He backs what he says with real scientific evidence, taught in 3 universities including Harvard, and never once proposed theories based on conspiracy.
I can almost agree when you say that it shouldn't justify killing someone, but to say that it wouldn't fill the families of victims or the victims themselves with overwhelming rancor is just plain wrong. It's a perversion of human emotion, and a perversion of civilized society to say that those guilty of such violent crimes still have a right to life and to belong IN society
+Lobito219 0 Because that is human nature. Because often they do have respect and regard for others, and because they are often victims themselves.
I lost a sister to a murderer who left me with permanent disabilities. I am angry at the situation, but I hold no resentment, because it ultimately does nothing for me. That's not to say I think people don't have a right to feel that way. But to use that as an excuse to justify killing someone is something a sociopath might think.
I don't believe in the death penalty for practical reasons. My opinion has nothing to do with morals or emotions.
I merely gave my opinion as Dr. Peterson gave his. To say I am uneducated in the subject is not only rude, but blatantly untrue. On top of which, Dr. Peterson believes in a lot of psuedo science and is a conspiracy theorist.
I don’t support the death penalty because I’d rather let these wastes of life die in a cold, prison cell or get beat to death in prison than die a quick death.
I think that the worse the crime, the worse the jail. By that, I mean high security of course, but they can be abused. Literally. For their whole lives until they perish. Let them have no entertainment whatsoever. Horrible food. I don’t care. If you did something that despicable as the men mentioned in this video, you deserve decades of abuse. A needle to the arm is too easy.
I’m still young, I got a few more years to evolve my opinion. But for now, that’s it.
How about making them useful, while sentencing them to high propability of long term suffering, which would be far more just than just quick death?
I mean, medical research could use some test subjects to test cures for cancer, ebola and other diseases.
I believe that instead of prison or capital punishment, we should ostracize them from society. If someone is a murderer, then a business wouldn’t want to give them service. This would result in the murderer getting no food, no utilities, and most landlords wouldn’t want them as tenets. This method would give the wrongdoer incentive to do good to regain their status in society.
Prager attacks a straw man. I'm against the death penalty because of the possibility the wrong person might be put to death. It has happened. A person was put to death, and it turned out they were innocent. All criminal cases are supposed to proven "beyond a reasonable doubt". To claim I don't think anybody deserves to die is either dumb or dishonest. Prager doesn't seem dumb to me.
As long as capital punishment for human trash like these two is painless then it's no different than keeping them alive. People should be afraid of doing something like this. Punishment for such brutal murders should be something like pyre
+TombWraith I think we can both agree to disagree on this issue. I do want to thank you though, because you used facts, and did not argue emotionally, you argued rationally. That is rare on YouTube now days. I wish we could have reached an agreement, but we just disagree. Thank you for the conversation anyway, because you brought up great points. I do respect you, thank you for respecting me. Maybe we'll agree on a different topic, under a different Preger U video.
+deadpool 177 awesome Because you are using it incorrectly, so that's why I corrected you. No they are not interchangeable as they are 2 entirely different facilities with different regulations and procedures.
That would be a violation of several other laws, and I doubt most convicts would have assets enough to pay for the entire process.
I tend the gravitate towards the middle of the political spectrum and don’t harbor any drastic political viewpoints. In trying to be as objective as I possibly can, there are many things wrong with this video. The way they presented their evidence gives the impression that they had to make very large stretches in an attempt to validate their claims. Like the whole speeding equating to murder analogy and cheapening the value of life was genuinely one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Point being, they didn’t argue their case very well.
I think those criminals capable of committing such bizarre crimes don't have much to live for and would be under punished if they were killed. Death would be too quick, but a life in prison would be maddening, being trapped between life and death would rot them. Besides if we punish murder with murder we equate ourselves with the low life beats. I say let them fester forever giving them time to contemplate their decisions.
To much irony and hypocrisy in capital punishment to condone it
Since 1971 1100 men were executed in the U.S and only 12 woman for the same crimes committed~gender bias anyone?!?
guess the courts would rather watch a man die then a female? And that doesn't make since time to end it...
I'm not saying murderers should get pizza every friday. In fact I think they should be forced to work as slaves in prison for the rest of their lives. They may deserve to die, but only God deserves to judge that.
I think murderers like the ones he told about in the beginning of the video should not get executed, but instead for exemple be put in isolation, making them suffer for the rest of their lives. That way they won’t get rid of all their problems just by getting executed
I dont like that our tax money as Americans is given up to feed and care for criminals, rapists, and murderers in jail. However, it is illegal to kill a person. If I go out and give someone a lethal injection, it would be considered murder despite whoever the person was and I would be put in jail. If I can’t do that, then why can the gouvernement do it? The government should NOT be exempt from any laws they themselves created and enforced.
The entire reason I am against the death penalty is not because I think murderers like these deserve to keep their lives or not, but because capital punishment does not allow for the reversal of an error in justice. In america, 1 in 25 people on death row have later been found innocent, with an untold number also executed. It is better to risk guilty people keeping their lives than to risk innocent people losing theirs. Capital punishment can only work in a perfect world, in a system completely devoid of errors. And since the crucial decisions in this system are entirely based on human judgement, the likelihood of error is much higher than in a purely rational system.
This video misses so many other crucial broader-scale arguments as to why the death penalty is strongly undesirable. Unfortunately this video came from a very narrow perspective... as is usually the case with all FOR arguments. All FOR arguments usually have to give an example that appeals to emotion in order to persuade the listener and blind them to the obvious irrationalities of capital punishment.
I think such murderers should be imprisoned for life without parole. I don't believe in death penalty. In my country it doesn't exist and the number of violence related offences isn't growing. Nor do I believe that executing the person who murdered our loved one could give peace to the victim's family. I do sympathise with the families with all my heart but death penalty doesn't bring recuperation.
As the Video only represents one side allow me to state my own reasons for opposing capital punishment. (I m restraining myswlf to the 2 most important here)
1. Who is to decide when someone deserved the death penalty abd whether or not he is guilty?
Yes there are obvies answers to this, thou I think it should be clear that we as humans make Mistaktes and therefore no human can ever be trusted with the decision about life and death!
2. What types of states do still have the death penalty and what does that say about the US?
Well mostly totaliterien backwatered states in the lesser developed areas of the world. (and of course the US) Does the US really want to be like those states and what is more does it share their motivations? I mean those states use executions to force their population into submission. Is there truely no better way the US can make its citizens obey its fundamental laws?
Obviestly there is as we can see with many US states and countrys all across the globe!
I think that neither the governorment nor any human should be intrusted with the decision about life and death, as the gov. is supposed to be ruled by the people and humans are unable to be perfect and any one innocent executed wrongfully should be more then enough to ban capital punishment.
Thou I unlike our prof in the video do understand the other side! I totally get it if someone demands justice for the death of their relativ. But that isnt enough to convince me to accept the huge negativs capital punishment brings with it
I respect people's opportunities and views but the reason why I disagree with the death penalty is because the system is not perfect and sadly mistakes will happen and it's a tragedy when innocent people are executed.
Chapter 2 Verse 176
وَلَكُمْ فِي الْقِصَاصِ حَيَاةٌ يَا أُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
In retaliation there is life for you, that is great longevity, O people of pith, possessors of intellect, because if the would-be killer knew that he would be killed [in retaliation], he would refrain [from such action] and would have thereby given life to himself and to the one whom he had intended to kill; and so it [retaliation] was stipulated by the Law, so that you might fear killing, fearing retaliation.
And there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O men of understanding, that you may guard yourselves.
In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding; that ye may restrain yourselves.
for, in [the law of] just retribution, O you who are endowed with insight, there is life for you, so that you might remain conscious of God!
And there is life for you in retaliation, O men of understanding, that ye may ward off (evil).
O owners of minds, for you in retaliation is life, in order that you be cautious.
O people of pure and clear wisdom! your very life lies in (the law of) equitable retaliation, (you have been so commanded) so that you may enjoy security.
holyiest book (Quran) says:
"""""We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself""""" Chapter 5
وَكَتَبْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِيهَا أَنَّ النَّفْسَ بِالنَّفْسِ وَالْعَيْنَ بِالْعَيْنِ وَالْأَنْفَ بِالْأَنْفِ وَالْأُذُنَ بِالْأُذُنِ وَالسِّنَّ بِالسِّنِّ وَالْجُرُوحَ قِصَاصٌ ۚ فَمَنْ تَصَدَّقَ بِهِ فَهُوَ كَفَّارَةٌ لَهُ ۚ
I mostly agree with you but why do you have to say that those opinions are WRONG. Opinions are never wrong, just disagreed with (unless you opinion has to do with a fact/statistic). This kinda seem like your trying to persuade more than educate.
Coming from a Christian standpoint, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. No human ever, no matter what they have done, should be put to death by another human.
Why? Like I said I come from a Christian standpoint, if God really wanted them dead, he would make it so, but because he doesn't, he obviously still wants them alive. Who are you to say you get to decide who lives and who dies? That's God's decision, not anyone else's, let God punish them, you don't need to try to do his job.
Without even taking a stance on one side of the argument or another, I can say that I believe most people don't even consider the proper reasons to punish someone for any act whatsoever. I can't think of any [proper] reason to punish anyone other than to prevent an action from being carried out again. I'm more than willing to hear someone out if they could give me another reason, but so many people are focused on what a criminal "deserves" or some form of vengeance. I'm trespassing on hypothetical grounds here but to clarify even with an extreme example...if you had someone that brutally killed / raped / maimed 150 people yet you had a way to *ensure* it would *never happen again* what exactly would be the reason for punishment of ANY form?
(And if you managed to translate that into me arguing that anyone should be able to do anything they want, or that we shouldn't (at the present time) exercise any form of punishment, read it again.)
so the goverment can kill someone for breaking the law? but a woman cannot decide to kill a fetus in the boundaries of the law?
the mental gymnastics...feeling feeling feeling... i have not seen so many feelings since the sjw videos.
Beside that, because your gut feeling says something must be done, doesn't make it right.
That's why we have laws, to avoid tribal retribution.
Many crimes are despicable and deserve deathly punishment but still doesn't mean you should have it.
It may depend if it should be a given for some reasons, such as:
How many people did the murderer kill? How brutal were the murders? Did they have a bad past? Was this person born with a mental illness? If there are any other factors, please explain why
The death penalty is in the bible, in Exodus 21:14
"But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my alter and put to death"
I think that the best way to solve the problems with murder to something so terrible that it is worse than death is solitary confinement. It is not taking a life but giving them a punishment they deserve. If you want to see a video of what it is like in solitary confinement just watch this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmTpsKNwUYk. I know that the channel is a little liberal. but it proves my point about the thing with solitary confinement. if your are stuck in a place like that it is much worse to the person that has done this thing that is so sociopathic, to murder. I will be completely honest. I would rather die than be stuck in solitary confinement. It is what every murderer deserves.
I have seen both sides of the arguement in the comments section, and I have come to a conclusion:
The best method for dealing with a murderer depends on case-by-case and the country's judicial system and public opinion.
For example, most Asian countries have the death sentence because we have that punishment for thousands of years, its also due to buddhist, hindu and other local religions which are against murder and killing of any creature, so they have the death sentence.
My country punishes people with death sentence by hanging and I think we should keep that.
Western nations have more lenient systems IMO, and in the case of many people who use the Norwegian system as an example, its actually a unique system, as not many countries want to invest money into a prison with pools, counselling and pancakes for breakfast.
Great video, but at the beginning when he says he understands abortion? I completely disagree. Abortion is just as heinous and inexcusable as any other murder. It's disgusting, filthy, and wrong and should be punishable by death.
+TombWraith it says "consciousness and memory". Not conscious memory. And what scientists? You're just protecting and getting angry at this point. Why is it so difficult for you to be objective about this? And that last statement had zero logic whatsoever.
@Cubecraft Banned You're article said conscious memory. Not consciousness. And not only that, other scientists disagree.You don't know objective shit, because nothing is objective. It's just believed to be objective fact based on evidence. If that's the case, you are a psychopath incapable of feeling sympathy and empathy, and need to be locked up in an institution.
+TombWraith You do realize Thesaurus.com literally has sentient in the list of synonyms of conscious, right?
Because I know the truth and I won't be fooled by subjective nonsense. I literally stopped talking to my best friend of 4 years because she had an abortion. There is no excuse for it. In my eyes they are a murderer and deserve the death penalty. So that is false as well.
+Cubecraft Banned It took a 30 second google search to find the difference between concious memory and sentience. But you probably think that's just a "subjective opinion".
I'm not going to bother anymore. Continue believing what you want to believe. I'm interested to see how you would feel towards a family member or close friend who had an abortion. Opinions always change when it's someone you care about.
4:10 this man questioned the Bible ? Ok first of all i don’t know if his common sense is working but when the use GOD they refer to Christianity, and second in 1st of Samuel 2,6 it clearly tells it , (if u are seeing this go look it your self) besides dosent the US trust in God , "on the lord we trust " says the dollar bill , and he says it in a manner of laughing, like saying , this is ridiculous what the Bible says , that is if he ever read the Bible closely( I’m a 14 year old , that takes these things seriously)
I support the death penalty. If a man or a woman murder or rape someone, they should be expected to die, as keeping them in jail just wastes resources and money, when those could be used for improving the quality of life for normal people.
+BlueTony680 I can understand people being for the death penalty on an emotional level. I lost a sister to a murderer, and have lifelong disabilities because of the damage done to me. I'm only against it for practical reasons.
My religious argument for the death penalty is easily summed up.
Genesis 9:5-6 NKJV — “Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man. “Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.
My problem with the death penalty is just how systemic it is. Like if a killer was just shot in the head by a random person I really wouldn’t care. But the fact that the GOVERNMENT chooses to schedule a day for you to die, then tie you down and inject you with something to kill you is so barbaric and insane that it makes me want to cry. Like even if you do not want to die, the government will kill you anyways. Think about that. You want to live but you are not allowed to.
+Christopher Quacco then you should have thought about that before you did the exact same thing to other people: you killed them when they didn't want to die. What is wrong with you not being able to put yourself in other's shoe but thinking about your own issues? and not being able to hold responsibility for your actions??? Narcissistic and Psychopathic???
Two questions arise (in my mind) from this video: Where exactly is the line justifying capital punishment and why? If one of the daughters burned alive in the house in the case cited here were prenatal (unborn in the womb), would there be any difference in the severity of the crime?
Pro-life=Pro-life. Study the cases of those exonerated after 16+ years on Death Row. They lost appeal after appeal and were whisked out of the clutches of death by irrefutable evidence. If we couldn’t secure them then do what we must,but surely the blood of the innocent has been spilled. We must realize the failures in our justice system with regards to equality, to ensure Equal Justice Under Law. We can chose the higher path.
In cases of certainty, like this one, the only way to insure that THOSE men will never kill again is for them to die. Legally. Not by mob, nor by chance, but with due process. I have wondered about the wisdom of the cessation of hanging. It was a visual reminder of the consequences of actions, and it was cheaper than all the paraphernalia required to do a humane killing after such an inhumane act! Letting others know about the finality of consequences is sure better than the publicity that so many murderers receive.
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