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The World At War 1917 I THE GREAT WAR - Week 128

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This war was supposed to be over by Christmas 1914. Now, as 1917 dawned, the world still knew 10 active theatres of war around the globe: Western Front, Italian Front, Eastern Front, Macedonian Front, Caucasus Front, Persian Front, Libyan Front, Palestine, Mesopotamia and German East Africa - and still there was no end in sight, no quick victory to be had for any side. » HOW CAN I SUPPORT YOUR CHANNEL? You can support us by sharing our videos with your friends and spreading the word about our work.You can also support us financially on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thegreatwar You can also buy our merchandise in our online shop: http://shop.spreadshirt.de/thegreatwar/ Patreon is a platform for creators like us, that enables us to get monthly financial support from the community in exchange for cool perks. » WHERE CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WORLD WAR I AND WHERE ELSE CAN I FIND YOU? We’re offering background knowledge, news, a glimpse behind the scenes and much more on: reddit: http://bit.ly/TheGreatSubReddit Facebook: http://bit.ly/WW1FB Twitter: http://bit.ly/WW1Series Instagram: http://bit.ly/ZpMYPL » CAN I EMBED YOUR VIDEOS ON MY WEBSITE? Of course, you can embed our videos on your website. We are happy if you show our channel to your friends, fellow students, classmates, professors, teachers or neighbours. Or just share our videos on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc. We are also happy to get your feedback, criticism or ideas in the comments. If you have interesting historical questions, just post them and we will answer in our OUT OF THE TRENCHES videos. You can find a selection of answers to the most frequently asked questions here: http://bit.ly/OOtrenches » CAN I SHOW YOUR VIDEOS IN CLASS? Of course! Tell your teachers or professors about our channel and our videos. We’re happy if we can contribute with our videos. If you are a teacher and have questions about our show, you can get in contact with us on one of our social media presences. » WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES? Videos: British Pathé Pictures: Mostly Picture Alliance Background Map: http://d-maps.com/carte.php?num_car=6030&lang=en Literature (excerpt): Gilbert, Martin. The First World War. A Complete History, Holt Paperbacks, 2004. Hart, Peter. The Great War. A Combat History of the First World War, Oxford University Press, 2013. Hart, Peter. The Great War. 1914-1918, Profile Books, 2013. Stone, Norman. World War One. A Short History, Penguin, 2008. Keegan, John. The First World War, Vintage, 2000. Hastings, Max. Catastrophe 1914. Europe Goes To War, Knopf, 2013. Hirschfeld, Gerhard. Enzyklopädie Erster Weltkrieg, Schöningh Paderborn, 2004 Michalka, Wolfgang. Der Erste Weltkrieg. Wirkung, Wahrnehmung, Analyse, Seehamer Verlag GmbH, 2000 Leonhard, Jörn. Die Büchse der Pandora: Geschichte des Ersten Weltkrieges, C.H. Beck, 2014 If you want to buy some of the books we use or recommend during our show, check out our Amazon Store: http://bit.ly/AmazonTGW NOTE: This store uses affiliate links which grant us a commission if you buy a product there. » WHAT IS “THE GREAT WAR” PROJECT? THE GREAT WAR covers the events exactly 100 years ago: The story of World War I in realtime. Featuring: The unique archive material of British Pathé. Indy Neidell takes you on a journey into the past to show you what really happened and how it all could spiral into more than four years of dire war. Subscribe to our channel and don’t miss our new episodes every Thursday. » WHO IS REPLYING TO MY COMMENTS? AND WHO IS BEHIND THIS PROJECT? Most of the comments are written by our social media manager Florian. He is posting links, facts and backstage material on our social media channels. But from time to time, Indy reads and answers comments with his personal account, too. The Team responsible for THE GREAT WAR is even bigger: - CREDITS - Presented by : Indiana Neidell Written by: Indiana Neidell Director: Toni Steller & Florian Wittig Director of Photography: Toni Steller Sound: Toni Steller Mixing, Mastering & Sound Design: www.above-zero.com Editing: Steven Roberts Motion Design: Philipp Appelt Research by: Indiana Neidell Fact checking: Markus Linke The Great War Theme composed by Karim Theilgaard: http://bit.ly/karimyt A Mediakraft Networks Original Channel Based on a concept by Spartacus Olsson Author: Indiana Neidell Visual Concept: Astrid Deinhard-Olsson & David van Stephold Executive Producer: Spartacus Olsson Producer: Toni Steller & Florian Wittig Social Media Manager: Florian Wittig Contains licenced Material by British Pathé All rights reserved - © Mediakraft Networks GmbH, 2016
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Marcelo Diaz (1 month ago)
RIP old map
Eaglewilliamjohn (4 months ago)
not sure where i left off all those months ago when i stopped following week-by-week, guess i'll start here. Got some catching up to do before the big finale this fall!
Fred B. (4 months ago)
"We're here because....We're here because......We're here because we're here!"
Amitabha Kusari (8 months ago)
4th time's the charm, the war will be over by this Christmas.
Podemos URSS (9 months ago)
Entente: "We are fighting to preserve the independence and existance of small states" Also Entente: * Occupying Greece and disrupting their sobereigny *
I love this
TheYizuman (9 months ago)
Wait a minute, there was a Stalingrad in 1917??
LeCharles07 (10 months ago)
lol Corporal Blurry Face at 5:55 not sure of his rank actually
Stuart Paul (10 months ago)
I once spent a day visiting the ruins at Verdun. Douaumont, Mort-Homme etc. It's memorable. After a while you are almost in shock. It's a monstrous horror ..
Andrew Durand (11 months ago)
The Somme wasn't a humiliation for Britain. Despite being deprived of a lot of the promised French support due to Verdun, having to start the offensive a month earlier than planned and having to attack uphill, the inexperienced British army, which had been raised from scratch following almost all the peacetime army being killed in 1914, was able to wear down the battle-hardened German army to such exhaustion that it had to retreat to the Hindenburg Line in early 1917 to stay in the war.
Hashim (11 months ago)
THIS CHRISTMAS, THIS CHRISTMAS WILL BE THE ONE
Derptank (1 year ago)
We are just about to this era in our history class, where I shall maybe binge these videos...
Podemos URSS (1 year ago)
1:57 So Cadorna finally gave his men the license?
saif akib (1 year ago)
would we have to wait until 2039 for a WW2?
K Gius (1 year ago)
The germans were diplomatic idiots, they conauered a big pice of russia and austria had accomplished all its goals and wanted peace
jserra17 (1 year ago)
Haig's promotion to Field Marshal was "well deserved?" With great respect Indy (this series is fantastic), Haig's orders for day one of The Somme caused the deaths of 20,000(!) of his soldiers and should have resulted in his dismissal. Haig was a product of the imperious arrogance of 19th century England, carried into the 20th by the absurd notion that "gentlemen" were naturally suited to command. If Haig had been willing to get his boots dirty and gone to the front lines, he might have seen that his estimation that past failures were a consequence of the "lack of fighting spirit" was stupidity. Haig has been treated much too kindly by history.
Dave Hopkin (1 year ago)
That smacks very much of the "Alan Clark" perspective on the great war, a perspective that many scholars have ridiculed (especially Clark's claim as to the origin of "Lions led by donkeys" when he claimed it came from a senior German Officer, when in actual fact Clark eventually admitted he had made it up to support his arguments) - Haig as CinC British forces was very much on the horns of a political dilemma, the entire point of the allied war effort was to evict Germany from France and Belgium, those war aims forced him to adopt a offensive war plan, while the Germans tended to sit in defence and make ever stronger positions - Haig utilised every possible technical and tactical innovation that was available to him (creeping barrage, tanks, mine warfare, livens flame projectors, massive artillery fire plans, aerial photography, troop rehearsals behind the lines etc etc) - The Somme failed in the first instance due to the inadequacy of British artillery to crush the wire defences due to the type of artillery available (mainly 18pdrs firing shrapnel) secondly to the massive reduction of french participation in the offensive due to the dire situation at Verdun. The Somme Offensive did take ground during its 3 months duration and certainly relieved a great deal of pressure from the French at Verdun.................. also tens of thousands of ex servicemen turned out for his funeral processions when he died which tends to indicate they didnt regard him as a butcher
DesRoin (1 year ago)
Von Mackensen seemed to be such a great general it pains me to see what became of him after the war :(
SeresTheZocker (1 year ago)
I watched the part with the fronts like five times...I am terrified
FreshSauerKraut (1 year ago)
I just, wish Germany won the war. If only Archduke Franz Ferdinand wasn't assassinated.
totte bonzo (1 year ago)
Mackensen wins baby
zexygamingwinter333 (1 year ago)
I love the Frontline maps I know they took a lot of work and they look amazing
El Gut (1 year ago)
"the biggest front in history... so far" if it wasn't scary, it would be funny!
kajamix (1 year ago)
you seem to have stopped at week 159
卐Berkay (1 year ago)
Please Turkish language add!!
mihai lupu (1 year ago)
1:20 romania resist in moldova. 2:20 whole romania is occupied.
Sebastian Arena (1 year ago)
So, how accuarate are the lines that your map shows of the front lines? can you guys actually precisely depict every inch of the frontline in such a messy and humonguos war? in an era before satelite imagery or GPS?
Pandu Widagdo (1 year ago)
2:37 reminds me of HOI4.
Romain Vincent (1 year ago)
I'm a bit late for this story but 100 years ago this week my great grand father was involved into an event that remains quite vivid in Belgium. He lived in the Liège region when the war broke out and he didn't have the time to enlist when Germany overtook the city. Since they were trapped behind the front line, he and his brothers had waited ever since for a way to join what remained of the Belgian army in Ypres. On the night of the 3 january, they went on board of the Atlas V, a tugboat on the Meuse river piloted by Jules Hentjens and Charles Balbour. Hentjens was a resistant since the beginning of the war and he wanted to help volunteers like my great grand father to cross the border with Netherlands so that they could join the front line. He had spent nights reinforcing his boat with steel plates while his wife and sister had recruited a total of 103 people for the expedition. It was very cold that night and the current was violent because of the recent bad weather. This was actually an ideal situation since the barrages on the river had to be lifted to avoid a flood. But it also made the navigation much more dangerous as the sand banks were now larger. When it went underway, the Altas could float for a while without making noise, drifting on the current. It passed Herstal and Jupille without getting noticed, but when it reached Hermalle (about 15 kilometers away from the border) the boat was spotted by a sentry who gave the alarm. They soon were chased by a german patrol boat that tried to approach the Altas by behind. But Hentjes suddently put the engine at full speed and the german boat got stuck into the wake and was sunk by the current. The Germans had set up machine guns and spotlights on the riverbank, so the Atlas was soon under heavy fire from both sides. In Visé, the Germans had built a wooden bridge to replace the railway bridge that was blown out by the army during the retreat. The Atlas was almost as large as the space between pillars! Hentjens went through anyway, tearing off a pillar and 20 meters of the bridge, throwing machine gunners into the Meuse. In the boat, the passengers are badly shaken by the impact. When leaving Visé, they were met by an armorer boat that barred the river and fired at them. Since they didn't have much choice, Hentjes and Balbour rammed the German ship and sunk it on the spot. Last obstacle : the Germans had stretched steel chains and electrified wires across the river at the border. Hopefully, the Altas had enough momentum to cut through. They crossed the border at Eijsden around 1am and nobody (I think) was hurt in the Atlas. In the morning, the German sent a commando to capture Hentjes, but he could escape. His wife and sisters were arrested tough, the rest of the passengers were greeted by expatriated families. My great grand father and his three brothers took a boat to England, enlisted in the army, then join the King at Ypres. They were lucky enough to all make it back after the war and I don't know much about what happened there, but when you compare the before/after pictures of them, you can see that something changed in their eyes.
Cem Ozdemir (1 year ago)
Germans should have just sieged London and white peaced England.
Daniel Brownson (1 year ago)
Love the maps showing the outlines of the various fronts.
WyattNelsonGames (1 year ago)
1:37 i think you mean in flanders fields
Sera (1 year ago)
I happened to just stop studying and put this back on exactly when the clock said 19:17. That seems almost ominous.
They promoted Haig after the Somme? Unless they had a lack of high ranking officers, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??
TreeckotheRebel (1 year ago)
Do the Civil War next!
Blue Line (1 year ago)
Your videos are AMAZING.
DionysusFTW (1 year ago)
That river "Sereth" is in fact called Siret, pronounced SI (as in "sip") RETH (as in "freth")
Luiz Alex Phoenix (1 year ago)
I am sure the war will be over by next Christmass. How much longer can this madness last? Well, I sincerely hope that The Great War crew won't retire from YouTube after this. They have been steadily improving. I hope shellshock or anything else doesn't make them set it all aside.
The Great War (1 year ago)
Surely, we will find something else to do after this project.
Let's get that Great War 2 in 2031 when the Japanese invades the Chinese. Oh and Great Depression too.
The Great War (1 year ago)
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGreatWarChannel/comments/4ksvy2/will_you_guys_ever_do_a_ww2_channel_our_official/
Steve Kaczynski (1 year ago)
I feel TGW should do a special on Franz von Papen (a quick search did not indicate that he had been covered, though I could be wrong). He was a military attache and one of Germany's chain of incompetent diplomats, engaging in a good deal of foolhardy intrigue. He also dropped a diary on the ground after a skirmish in Palestine, giving the British a fair amount of information when they found it. He was to help Hitler's rise to power, assuming that Hitler would be easy to control.
The Great War (1 year ago)
He's on our list.
Uncle Timo (1 year ago)
fantastic maps. have 1000 upvotes.
hjp14 (1 year ago)
Those maps and animations of the lines got me all kinds of hot and bothered; good job, dudes!
Andrew Shepherd (1 year ago)
FINALLY! I've been burning through the week by week vids for about a month and a half and now I'm FINALLY in the same year. Can't wait to officially watch along week to week and get the full experience.
Edward Myers (1 year ago)
I thought I would add that my Grandfather and his 3 brothers enlisted for the U.S. Army almost a 100 years ago today. According to his DD-214, my Grandfather fought in every major American engagement and it appeared that he was gassed at the end of the war. He died when he was 45 years of age reportedly just collapsing while hanging laundry. The rest of his brothers lived longer and as far as I know were not gassed. My question is, what sort of statistics if any were kept on those veterans who were gassed and lived passed the war? You guys are doing a great job! This will be a great resource for future generations. Excellent!
Edward Myers (1 year ago)
I have another question...What if any did the surrendered portion of Western Russia contribute either economically or militarily to the German War effort in 1918?
Maxim Vetryakov (1 year ago)
On this map Russia should control Erzurum and Trabzon https://youtu.be/EdJjQdA-q-k?t=2m19s
Sam Moon (1 year ago)
For everyone saying "Last year of the War" and what not, the War lasted until mere days from 1919. 1918 is NOT going to be short or sweet....
The Great War (1 year ago)
And saying it ended in 1918 is also a stretch.
Discovered the channel relatively recently, and have been marathoning ever since. I even eat my lunch at my desk, so that I can squeeze two episodes to my lunch break. It's astonishing realization for me, how criminally ignorant I was. I doubt that any horror movie will be able to scare me in my life anymore. THE BEST CHANNEL EVER!
The Great War (1 year ago)
Welcome to the show.
Zeke (1 year ago)
Did brazilians fought this war?
_JoãoBR_YT (1 year ago)
vai se fude
Edward Myers (1 year ago)
I'm a little ahead in the time line. I was wondering that after Russia surrendered was there any attempt by Germany to sue for peace with the West basically making no demands. The reason I'm thinking is that 1/3 of Russia was occupied by Germany and would there even be a need to have a large colonial empire in the world or any need for territorial demands. Was there anyone in Germany who proposed that angle to bring the war to a close? I know that the Allies basically didn't want to surrender due to the demand and surrender of territory Russia gave to Germany. But still, it would seem if you didn't want American's impact on the war felt you would try to get hostilities halted. It would have been an apparent victory for Germany I think.
The Great War (1 year ago)
The problem with suing for peace without any demands meant that the Germans would have not much to show for after three years of fighting. And knowing that the Entente would not agree to anything but maybe the prewar order (and that's already a stretch), there was no real incentive.
RabidSpace (1 year ago)
Been watching since 2014 and the show has just gotten better and better, keep up the great work!
whatever (1 year ago)
pure map porn
El Bandito (1 year ago)
Just make peace, damn you!
lennart kaiser (1 year ago)
Kriegsverherlichung!!!!
the graphics keep getting better and better. RESPECK
The Great War (1 year ago)
Thanks.
Michael Ryan (1 year ago)
Verdun represented the "line" it was an ideological line. microcosm still.
Joe R. (1 year ago)
What will happen to the channel after November 9th, 2018?
gonfishin496 dub (1 year ago)
Hi Indy and team I was wondering what role the Lebanese played in The Great War I know they were citizens of the Ottoman Empire but were they conscripted into the Ottoman military and if so what role did they play ? were the Christian Lebanese treated any differently than the Muslim Lebanese were under Ottoman rule? PS love the show great job.
justin mccoy (1 year ago)
the war will be over by christmas... Christmas 1918
cubankhan (1 year ago)
Hi Flo, another add interrupted Indy mind-sentence at 7:57. Is it possible to time these when he finishes an idea. The new animations of controlled areas are awesome!!
Md. Rafraf Mussabbir (1 year ago)
can you make a video of 1971 war...
KiNg*PoE 87 (1 year ago)
I only recently discovered this channel. I have made it part of my regular viewing. I'm thrilled it exists and appreciate your hard work, especially as someone working on a masters in history with an emphasis on the world wars. As a veteran, I eagerly await the marines and the battle of Belleau Wood.
The Great War (1 year ago)
Welcome to the show!
KiNg*PoE 87 (1 year ago)
I only recently discovered this channel. I have made it part of my regular viewing. I'm thrilled it exists and appreciate your hard work, especially as someone working on a masters in history with an emphasis on the world wars. As a veteran, I eagerly await the marines and the battle of Belleau Wood.
KiNg*PoE 87 (1 year ago)
I only recently discovered this channel. I have made it part of my regular viewing. I'm thrilled it exists and appreciate your hard work, especially as someone working on a masters in history with an emphasis on the world wars. As a veteran, I eagerly await the marines and the battle of Belleau Wood.
Tomasz Wójcik (1 year ago)
Alister Horn is wrong! Of course, he had right in conclusion about: "(...) the unnecessary battle in an unnecessary war;" BUT whether this war there were no winners? My country, Poland was the victor of this war. Firstly, after 123 years Poland was the independent country again. The same we can say about many of nations in Central Europe like Czechs, Slovaks, Lithuanians etc. Even more, the first time was born the idea of independence among the Ukrainians! And end of war? Simply the disaster... The real end of war would be only the parade of the Alies forces among the ruins of Berlin, and with the court against the guilty of unleashing the war politicians like - Kaiser Wilhelm II, Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg, Arthur Zimmerman and others...
Roland Wieffering (1 year ago)
War is the intensification of all horrors and futility, there is no Glory in dying with courage.
Jackson Souster (1 year ago)
Alliser Thorne? is he still alive? Last I heard Jon Snow sent him beyond the wall.
Tuschikbauer (1 year ago)
Can you do Mongolia during WW1?
Gojira Beaver (1 year ago)
I like the new animation
MrFlorryworry (1 year ago)
LOL that cut at foksjani you totally laughed out loud after saying that didn't you :P
Deixel 07 (1 year ago)
Maps now are magnificent! Thank you for your work from day to day for the last couple of years!
aewtx (1 year ago)
I love how y'all split it by years! This channel just gets better and better. Too bad I won't be around for a WWII version. haha Well, maybe, if I can last that long...
aewtx (1 year ago)
Yay!
The Great War (1 year ago)
Well, who says we will wait 20 years for that?
JJ Latham (1 year ago)
hot damn, that new opening title.
DerekGuerrero (1 year ago)
The war may not had victors but it certainly had losers
TheStapleGunKid (1 year ago)
Hey Indy, any chance you could do a "who did what in WW1" episode on Mohandas Ghandi? I bet a lot of people don't know the famed "pacifist" was actually an ardent support of the British war effort.
Ileana Braniste (1 year ago)
Ramnicu Sarat is not pronounced with a tz or ts, it's cu as in cut
Mike F'ing Bond (1 year ago)
One can assume the majority of casualties came from the infanry. Do we know casualty counts for the other types of soldiers? For example what percentage of the Artillery units took casualties? Medical personal? Supply? What type of units were considered the "safest" to be assigned to?
Tomato Recolector (1 year ago)
What was Colombia's role in the first World War?
Jure Osredkar (1 year ago)
Julian alps are on the Slovenian-Italian border, nowhere near Switzerland.
tomaalimosh (1 year ago)
That's not how you read Ramnicu Sarat. The "c" is a "k". not a "ts"
Emre (1 year ago)
Turkish Subtitles?
Plumpstery (1 year ago)
what will you do once the war is over
TheGuyWhoYouHate (1 year ago)
3:32 Once again the Germans refusing to acknowledge the the fact that theres a country named Belgium
GeneralSmelly (1 year ago)
I haven't been here for a while, guess I am one of the "old school" Great war viewers.
Ignacio Fereira (1 year ago)
People always talk about the Western front when the issue is World War I. Even in school, we only talked about the Western front. So I had no idea at all that Imperial Germany actually managed to penetrate that far east into Russian territories.
airraverstaz (1 year ago)
Well earned promotion??? Its been a while, but the last time I watched several videos he was being called the "butcher of the somme"....I'll have to go back and see what kind of miracle he pulled out of his ass to somehow get a promotion.
airraverstaz (1 year ago)
Oh no worries, I enjoy all of your videos.
The Great War (1 year ago)
You didn't see the airquotes because we put a picture there.
Dino 1 (1 year ago)
what are you going to do after the great war
The Great War (1 year ago)
https://m.reddit.com/r/TheGreatWarChannel/comments/4ksvy2/will_you_guys_ever_do_a_ww2_channel_our_official/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true
Johnny Solipsis (1 year ago)
Wait until March, boys. Then the sheet really hits the fan!!
BLADE (1 year ago)
Imagine if Germany was willing to give up Belgium, the war could have ended a lot earlier
Izuna craft (1 year ago)
will they do episodes on world war 2 once 1 is over?
Izuna craft (1 year ago)
Thank you. I wasn't sure if someone had asked that question yet.
The Great War (1 year ago)
https://m.reddit.com/r/TheGreatWarChannel/comments/4ksvy2/will_you_guys_ever_do_a_ww2_channel_our_official/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true
Jacob Haskins (1 year ago)
did anyone else get chills at the end when Indy said happy new year after that very sad quote?
Rick Higson (1 year ago)
Thank you.
GTS Revolution (1 year ago)
I loved the border animation
The Great War (1 year ago)
Thanks.
Rabih R (1 year ago)
American neutrality was of great help for the Levant peoples because it covered the activities of the American Red Cross in Syria & protected the Syrian Protestant College (currently the American University of Beirut). The American Red Cross made a huge effort to assist the starving refugees leaving their ex-autonomous province of Mount-Lebanon to Beirut. And the Syrian Protestant College was safe from nationalization as was the case for the other (french speaking) university in Beirut (Saint-Joseph University) ; the Jesuit Catholic mostly french nationals staff was expelled in 1915 & its modern equipment confiscated, including astronomical devices & most importantly the pre-war introduced wireless telegraph system.
ian clevenger (1 year ago)
I'm sure this has been asked but can you guys do a special on the Russians on the western front that sounds like it'd be very interesting and how that worked out with the revolution back in Russia
Ephraim Hendrix (1 year ago)
the three largest battles in human history --- thus far ------ take place simultaneously
Pirwzy (1 year ago)
ten minutes almost doesn't seem like enough time per episode with everything going on
The Great War (1 year ago)
We try our best but we can't make the episodes much longer.
Randomly Named (1 year ago)
OK boys, I know we said it before but this time we really mean it. The war will be over by Christmas. DAMN IT!
Yozaro (1 year ago)
Nice animations.
Adam Wells (1 year ago)
Hi, you're channel is great and you're a great presenter Indy. I do have a question though. Of all the "strategic" forts and towns mentioned, when photos are shown they are usually just timbers. So I was wondering why the armies kept making such sacrifices to gain the timbers? Did they have some advantage I can't see or are they strategic because both sides think they are? Thanks
Adam Wells (1 year ago)
I can rephrase it if its easier. Of all the strategic towns and forts mentioned, your photos of them usually show just ruins. So I was wondering, why did the armies keep making such sacrifices for these ruins? Did they have some advantage I can't see or are they strategic because both sides think they are? Thanks :)
Adam Wells (1 year ago)
I meant that of the houses and buildings, only the structural timbers sticking out of the ground remain in most of the photos. It just seems that the towns and fortresses were ruins so what did they stand to gain from them?
The Great War (1 year ago)
Sorry, what do you mean by timber?

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