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future vegeta was all ready ssj and future trunks should have inherited vegeta strength and power level that he worked for his whole tire life including the ability to transform into a ssj that's just the saiyan biology bargain sale to create a generation of stronger saiyan warriors that's why freiza destroy the saiyan's home planet vegeta because of the zenkai boost ability to get stronger there were babies being born with higher power levels because of their parents working hard to get stronger eventually the whole saiyan race would be all ssj's and probably eventually be stronger than frieza and his whole family combined and they would all be killed that's why freiza did it because he knew the outcome of the future who would control the galaxy it would be the saiyanjin's
I think kid Trunks is stronger then teen Trunks when he first arrived here is why. Kid Trunks is close to 18 in turns of power, also this 18 is stronger then the one from teen Trunk's timeline, teen Trunks struggled with a weaker 18 and was no match againts the stronger 18 but I doubt kid Trunks trained as hard as teen Trunks did, so what does this mean?
When Anime Future Trunks (17 years old) was punching Androids 17/18 in the face the Androids smirked and didn't even move.
When Future Trunks met Post-Yardrat Goku he was confident Goku could make a difference which would mean Goku was significantly stronger than Trunks.
Namek SSj Goku = 120m, Post-Zenkai = 130m, Post-Yardrat = 140m.
Dragon ball z makes no sense sometimes tell me how Gohan can catch bullets but can't catch an earring like Boiiiiiii wtf u can travel beyond light speeds and still can't catch an earring welp Gohan just fuck up his Chance to be the ultimate fusion Gokhan or What ever u would call the fusion couldve possibly been stronger Than vegito
Let us assume that the power level of gohan is an indicator to just how strong a properly trained half saiyan can be right outta the gate. Goku had around a 400 power level without weights although this was 4 ish years after gohan was born, but he was stronger than tien during the 23rd tournament who around this time and with 5 years of training has risen to 250 power level putting goku around 350ish during conception of gohan. Gohan's power ranged between 4 normally to 700~ sad and around 1,300 angry. That means that either an accessible power 3.5x the saiyan parent or 325x base power, but keeping it reasonable gonna say around 3.5 parent saiyan.
Vegeta fresh off fighting in space and against frieza with his zenkais. He then witnessed goku turing supersaiyan for the second time and begins training to turn super saiyan himself. He may not have resorted to gravity training in the original time line though. This could be due to a lack of a second super saiyan showing up and bringing his manhood into question. his power was around 30,000~ with the ginyu force fight. Then zenkai was able to fight with and beat jeice even though he had not slept for a few days. Rested and zenkai'd his power was at least half friezas base form conservatively so about ~265,000. After that he had krillen blast a hole in his chest and was able to an extent provide fun for frieza and outclass piccolo who was around ~1,200,000. Using his other zenkai information we can extrapolate what his power likley was. Which is around ~2,144,090. This is around 1.75% of frieza's true power. I do not think being brought back from a wish gives you a zenkai either. But let us assume that within the 4 years till the androids show up after namek his power was around ~4 million when he had trunks. That would put trunk's accessible power somewhere around ~14million angry and if his power is relative to gohan's 4 power at rest then his rest power would be about ~141,000; Super saiyan around ~7,050,000. Let's say then that gohan was about 1 ssj goku strong end of namek 150,000,000 that would put future 17 around 300,000,000 if not a bit stronger. Which even vegeta at that point would be about 200,000,000 ssj which would be grosly unprepared for both androids
recap my projections
Future Teen trunks - 141,000
Future Teen trunks SSJ - 7,050,000
Future Gohan - 3,000,000
Future Gohan SSJ - 150,000,000
Androids 17 & 18 (roughly half) 170,000,000
Androids 17 & 18 (Full) - 340,000,000
Future Vegeta - 4,000,000
Future Vegeta SSJ - 200,000,000
Tien - 50,000
Krillen - 34,000
So Qaaman, due to the lack of fans listening to me when I explain my reasoning, I would request for a sort of unbiased segment on how Super Saiyan works. I believe it's an addition of 147 million power units. Of course a majority of the DBZ fans will say it's a 50x boost, but I have big reason to doubt that, so just hear me out.
One reason I doubt it's a 50x boost is because Super Saiyan is because of the true limitations of the Super Saiyan. What mean is look at Trunks's timeline. When Goku died, Gohan was pretty much in the million range, and so in 13 years he'd only be at 5 million? While fighting deadly machines? I think not. Based on my own math, I'd pinpoint him at a little over 100 million base. With my version of SSJ, he'd be at 249 million, almost at 250 million, which is slightly stronger than Trunks's timeline Android 17 ( based on the fact that the main timeline androids were stronger than Trunks's androids). Even fitting with the manga, Trunks (who'd probably be slightly stronger than 2nd form Frieza) as a Super Saiyan combined with Gohan would still not be as big as 17 and 18 combined, proving that my method could be correct, but there's more.
With my method, the actual SSJ boost increases as you discover the other forms like ASSJ, which explains why Gohan also couldn't beat them quickly, because he was dealing with 147 million boosts. To also note that FPSSJ doesnt reduce 'strain', but gives the full power the Saiyan could not get from not getting used to the form. I predict by the time Trunks had went to the past, if Gohan had remained alive, he could defeat the androids. In addition in the HoT movie, Gohan fended off 17 for a few seconds before going SSJ in the amusement park. Do you think someone with a PL of 5 Million is capable of blocking or dodging a single punch from someone with a power well over the 100 millions? Now I'm going to compare and contrast SSJ, Oozaru and Kaioken.
If Super Saiyan was a 50x boost like all fans say, it would be strenuously straining like Kaioken, much less to mention SSJ2. Let's get this straight, Super Saiyan is energy consuming, not straining. At this point people would retaliate saying that Kaioken is a technique, whereas SSJ would be a transformation and would exempt the rule for being natural. I will now retaliate by that rule. Oozaru. It's a completely natural transformation used by Saiyans that dealt with multipliers, but the difference is when Oozarus revert, they lose consciousness from strain, with an exception of Vegeta who was capable of controlling the form. Both being transformations from the same race, had SSJ worked like that, the only Saiyans that would remain conscious after reverting would be post HBTC Goku and Gohan, due to mastering the transformation, therefore if they don't work the same way in anatomy, why would they work the same in boosts? The concept is confusing, but I'm sure once explained and looked at from an unbiased perspective, people would understand.
Even after I put up an impressive counter to the 50x thing, if it still isn't satisfying that it isn't a 50x boost, Toriyama (aka the creator of Dragon Ball/Z/Kai/Super in case some fans didn't know) himself stated that Super Saiyan didn't work at that concept, in which such statement was blasphemously ignored by the public.
Now, I'm not asking for you to agree with it, but to at least recognize it and maybe place out a legitimate argument against it. Now if it changes your perspective, that's okay too. Maybe the fans would listen to you, after all you do seem to know your stuff. Just a request to think about, is all.
Why such a odd increase in power? 147 million? The reason why Gohan in the future timeline gained so little power was because he never got to enter the HBTC which is a years worth of training in one day, he never trained with Goku, and he no good sparring partner, Trunks being to weak to give Gohan a challenge.
+Qaamans Land If you could make a video on this, this would be amazing but i'm very confused towards the strength of Master Roshi in Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection 'F' the reason I am so confused is in the fight scene between Frieza's army, Master Roshi seems to be putting up a very good fight against a large amount of Frieza's Soldier's yet how could Master Roshi do this when his power level is around 139 (when bulma checked it on the scouter in the Saiyan Saga) I know this isn't his Max power but surely at Max power he can't be stronger than Freiza's men. Frieza's men have an average power level of 1,300? I would just like your opinion on this as I've heard a few people mention that in the movie Master Roshi announces that he was training secretly, but all I want is your opinion towards it.
This is a good question. Power level is important, but it is not everything. Master Roshi is just that skilled to be able to defeat enemies that are three times stronger - power level wise than him because of his martial arts expertise.
Something to talk about: What if Raditz joined the Z Fighters?
Now this seems a bit odd, but if they beat down Raditz without actually killing him, it's possible that the assault by Vegeta and Nappa might have turned him 'good', because, most likely, Vegeta would discard Raditz just like he did Nappa. He'd likely still be cruel, as Vegeta once was, but over time, Raditz might have changed.
With two full-blooded Saiyans on the Z-Fighters' side from this early point, I feel this would have a MASSIVE impact on future events.
What if raditz and nappa returned? Would they want revenge on goku and vegeta for contributing to their causes of death, or would they get over it because goku "killed" (I guess also trunks being vegetas son finishing him off as well) and would they just join goku and vegeta?
Hmmm kind of hard to say they said that the androids were weaker in future trunks time then in the regular dbz timeline he was capable of reaching ssj2 not to long after he defeated the andriods an cell in first form in his on timeline though
The more I think about it the more obsurd it seems that after ALL the training and being naturally superior physical specimens somehow some loony doctor managed to create freaking 18 or more "androids" capable of taking on and defeating the Z fighters hell even a super saiyan is a stretch for me considering the feats of strength gokus base form can do MULTIPLYING as a ss oh and keeping 18s women parts completely in check? I know it's anime but really...A SPACE EMPEROR ANDROID HAD NO CHANCE AGAINST A SS but a earth android? Nevermind!
He's one you can have fun with as you like doing this Food for thought things.
How would Nappa surviving the fight on earth affected things? Lets envision two Scenario's:
Scenario 1: Vegeta opts to not kill him and leaves the planet with him.
Scenario 2: Vegeta still prepares to kill him, however Goku finds a way to prevent Vegeta from doing so, whether it be by moving Nappa out of the blast, or by stopping the attack itself.
(Not going to pretend scenario 1 or 2 will make much difference but lets face it Vegeta does eventually soften VERY slowly over time)
Well then Goku would train with the rest of the z fighters in order to prepare for the battle with the saiyans, they would either way due to Goku being much weaker then if he trained with King Kai and not knowing the kaio-ken or spirit bomb would mean Goku would lose and Earth would die.
You should make one on the crazy power boost on namek. Vegeta getting a sensu bean after being beaten by recoome later takes a nap then is on par with first form freiza?piccolo so weak on earth goes train on king Kai planet(not 100 times gravity) joins body with nail then becomes stronger than second form freiza? Goku MAX 180,000 gets a coulple of zenki boost and is up there with final form frieza? Namek wasn't consistent at all? Please talk about this
Don't use power levels like of course he's in the millions almost everyone is in the millions considering Frieza in his second form was about a million an at this point krillin may be able to fight him while tien would be able to murder him
(PLEASE LIKE THIS SO QUAMAN CAN SEE!!!) Quaman, dude, I have a theory (or the basis of one) that I NEED you to please cover. Okay so here's how it goes... Trunks, out of grief for future Gohan, takes the time machine after killing 17, 18, and imperfect cell, and goes back to another timeline where Gohan has not yet lost his arm, saves them both, kills the androids and cell, then goes back. Do you think this is possible, and if so what would happen afterwards?
-Your loyal fan and fellow otaku, epic.
+Qaamans Land I guess that makes sense, I've just been watching the sad scene a lot so I thought he could have tried it out of grief... Well thanks for replying either way, and keep these videos coming. I give it another year or two before you hit 1 million, tops. Btw If you ever need a theory to cover, this one's always there. After all, with time travel, anything's possible.
In both the Manga and Anime, Trunks must've increased his power SO much before coming to the past.Especially basing it on what you guys said, ( I agree) it took Trunks several years to be as strong as Goku when he transformed into a Super Saiyan for the first time which is crazy. At the same time, Trunks didn't have any of the resources Goku did and considering his age took a considerably shorter amount of time to reach that power level.
+Qaamans Land can you make a video on what if gohan went ssjg, ssgss? do you think he would be stronger than goku and vegeta because gohan is already stronger than a ssj3 goku just in his base because of his potential being unleased. im not using legit multipliers but say goku base = 1, goku ssj3 = 3,gohan base = 3 or 4, and with ssjg u get a just say a x5 multiplier so goku = 5, gohan would be 15? would gohan really be that strong?
Can someone answer me this. If future trunks could go back multiple times like shown when he came back after defeating the androids why didn't he just ask goku to take him to namek or ask dende to come with him to future and make new dragon balls and wish back the z fighters . I know the earth's dragon had a limitation of 1 year span after witch you couldn't wish back someone but dende's dragon doesn't so why didn't he just do that?
1. What if Piccolo defeated android 17 before cell arrived and how would that impact the future.
2.Why did Goku SSGSS get mortally wounded by a Lazer beam rifle(spoiler) in fukatsu no f when he has taken much more damage than that regardless if his guard is down or not.
3.Are Dbz characters Faster than Light in combat speed
4. What if Vegeta died when he fought the saiyans on earth and how would that affect what happens on namek
+ToxicFlame707 1. i think piccolo might have been able to pull it off but yes he would have been defeated by 18 but he would have ruined cells plans to become perfect.
3. raditz what..the english dub had a mistranlations
1. Piccolo was sweating and panting while 17 was not short of breath in the slightest, the chances of Piccolo beating 17 were slim. If Piccolo did kill 17 it'd have to be with all of his energy, after that Piccolo would be open to attack from even the likes of Yamcha, so Android 18 would kill Piccolo. Imperfect Cell would see 17's corpse and self-destruct.
2. Because he was also tired from fighting Frieza, he did use a good amount of energy for that Kamehameha that was meant to finish Frieza.
4. Quaaman made a video on that
I have never read the manga of dbz before but have watched the anime a load of times. Is there any point in ever reading it? Or do you think I should give it a try since I kinda want to since you mention alot of things about it I don't know.
What if Frieza would have killed Gohan? Would Goku care? He went super saiyan because he didnt think Krillin would come back but if he knows Gohan would be able to come back would he care enough to transform? Would Piccolo go super namek god if Gohan is killed? if Piccolo was killed again infront of Gohan woyld he have awaken super saiyan?
my problem with the anime part of this is that the future androids as stated in the anime are much weaker than the 17 and 18 that goku and the rest of them fight which means you can't use the to compare future trunks with the current day fighters when there against androids. i couldn't comment on the manga i'm not fond of manga. anyway still enjoyed the video.
Considering that King Piccolo, accordin to the Daizesnhuu 7, is as powerful as a small nuke, it would mean Guldo would be equal to more than 20 nukes. Considering that trunks super Saiyan is up to par with 3rd form frieza, he is well over the power of 120 small nuclear bombs in comparison. So yes, he is strong.
Discussion prompts: 1How does fusion thought process works? 2.And female super saiyan analysis. 3. Do you think Future Trunks make a comeback in Dragon Ball Super(he might since he wrote a letter to present Bulma before the events of Resurrection of F) and his effect on present kid/teen trunks and the other characters. 4. Your thoughts on Bra/Bulla and her role in Dragon Ball Super.
Really hope you and your squad can tackle at least one of these, thanks in advance and thank you for your vids and pooling more interest in the dragon ball community.
1. Not sure but ill think of it.
2. Check out my old video on can pan and bulla turn super saiyan
3. He might but it's hard to tell
4. I don't think they will have a big role to be honest
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