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Sensed Presence, Abramelin and the value of experience

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I suggest you read the article at https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-ooze/201507/why-some-people-see-ghosts-and-other-presences before watching this video in order to get a fair idea of what I am discussing and how well it aligns with my experience of the Abramelin Operation. Do you yourself think the article actually "explains why" people see ghosts? Or does it simply provide some useful guidelines on "how" to increase your chances of seeing ghosts? That is the magical viewpoint!
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Kulturkriget (30 days ago)
How come you haven't tried to repeat the operation?
Ramsey Dukes (26 days ago)
It is a big commitment - especially if one does the full 18 months – and I simply could not afford it.
RichardGillard321 (7 months ago)
"Why is it so important to convince people it's a trick?" Do you not realise what insecure little souls the psychiatrists and prophets of a "Scientific Reality" (which scientists themselves don't believe in, because they've studied "reality" and they know that nothing is as it seems) do you not realise what insecure and frightened little souls these people are, Ramsey Dukes?
Ramsey Dukes (7 months ago)
I do not want to convince anyone. I am just aware that a lot of people accept the scientific worldview as so absolutely true that it needs no further consideration. So I raise some awkward questions to remind people to think and observe for themselves.
Foo Fighter (1 year ago)
Haha, yeah light "tricks" the receptors in the eyeball into believing they are perceiving something.
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
The real trickery lies in the subsequent processing - eg the upside-down vision spectacle experiment
Alchemica Blackwood (1 year ago)
Speaking of ''outer space'' and fossil ''evidence'', has it ever occurred to anyone that we are being deceived? I mean, the ONLY reason why we talk about space exploration and traveling to the moon and to Mars is that NASA told us so. That's it! That's the ONLY so-called proof that we have. Well, all of these ''proofs'' could have been easily faked by NASA and our ''governments''. Same with so-called fossil ''evidence''. We are shown these giant, monstrous representations of creatures that supposedly lived 60 million years ago that have been given the name of ''dinosaurs'', and we've swallowed this supposed ''scientific evidence'' whole cloth! As with space travel, ''dinosaur bones'' could have been easily faked. I no longer believe for a second that men traveled to and walked on the moon, nor that we sent robots to Mars, nor that gigantic dinosaurs ever actually existed. Just call it a part of my spiritual awakening that I no longer believe in such fairy tales. BTW, I would believe in actual flying fairies before I would believe in walking dinosaurs or in men flying to the moon in tin cans.
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
In Thundersqueak I used a similar approach to question whether nuclear energy is a myth. To me the real value is always to leave a window of doubt open for freedom – even though I accept dinosaurs because I rather like them (especially if they evolved into birds,) and space travel because it extends my frontiers.
Nic01224 (1 year ago)
Great article and video. I don't think there is anything at all new or radical about a sense of presence, given Carl Jung etc. However physical science has increasingly told us we are lying or deluded-that subjective experience is worthless! A fraud. We however know that subjective experience is key.
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
I agree: the emphasis on the objective has been so strong that people dismiss the subjective - at everyone's peril.
raginald7 Mars (1 year ago)
Reading Steiner, he writes about the Guardian of the Threshold--- I take that seriously, Is there this limiting Threshold, that stops any further penetration, any further progress – in all, Science, Art, culture…even Evolution – has another Mass Extinction KT event to come, to start it all over again, until the next limit of Threshold, interesting concept…he talks so much about getting through hat threshold, but not convincingly, sounds  more like fairy tale… so your sensed Presence - is this such a passing threshold experience? How do we discern from hallucinations?
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
"discern from hallucinations": from the material or rationalist viewpoint of the article writer, it is all hallucinations, and can be "explained" in those terms. I argue that these explanations are less valuable than an examination of the content of the experience and judging how valuable that is. If one meets a guardian of a particular threshold and it gives wise advice then the value is in the advice, rather than some objective "proof" of reality. "Do not pass this threshold" is not wise advice, if it ignores the strength of human curiosity. Whereas "Do not pass this threshold for the following reasons...." might turn out to be very wise and helpful advice.
Penny McCleery (1 year ago)
Did you know that you're being held up as a spokesperson for the magical land, especially on redditt? How does that feel?
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
Puzzling! I've not discovered Reddit. There must be a lot of magical land that lies beyond my ken, but I don't mind spoking the bits I am familiar with.
myboythom (1 year ago)
I have to ask you Mr dukes did you ever teach at a school in Solihull in the English midlands from the late 70s -early 80s?
raginald7 Mars (1 year ago)
Steiner,I find, is almost impossible to read in German! He has all those strange words and concepts, I read his Higher worlds and listen to Audios many times and wonder ever more, is this all Gibberish, a sort of Hypnotic speech to make you dizzy? I cannot discern anything Scientific in his talks at all! It is an all fairy tales to me… what value should there be? Sorry, my personal observation...
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
I like the all-inclusiveness of his ideas – embracing music, art, science, gardening, healing, education etc. But his language does not translate well into English, so he is hard to read in a "love it or hate it" sort of way.
raginald7 Mars (1 year ago)
Amazing you were there! I studied Steiner and wondered, what Kind of man he was… He was a Drop out of everything…falling into the widening void of the Blavatsky Universe, where he got lost forever… I wonder, as I observe, we are there all again, falling into the Void of Delusions…And his followers today stylize him as a true Saint, one day, they proclaim…sorry…
myboythom (1 year ago)
Ramsey Dukes again thanks for your reply, concise but v useful
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
I did teach at the Steiner "New School" in Kings Langley in 1978-9, under my name Lionel Snell. I think Steiner education is good preparation for life, especially for more artistic/musical children. But there is a pattern: kindergarten and juniors, great; early teens, they hate it and keep saying "why can't we go to a 'normal' school like everybody else and do real exams?'; then in final year they go all sentimental, love the concept and some want to become Steiner teachers. Otherwise, because they have not really been trained for commercial society, they leave school and drift around doing humble jobs like casual lorry driving or selling old furniture and their parents get very worried about the money they wasted on the school. But then, having had that more balanced and open education, by early 30s they will be running the business and become very successful and put some of their riches back into the movement. A terrible simplification, I know, but I think that many people will recognise some truth in it!
raginald7 Mars (1 year ago)
Thank You Dear Ramsey! It may scientifically never be possible to distinguish between what we perceive and what we hallucinate, create by Brain activity ourselves. There may even be Mass Hallucination, Telepathy… This is no Argument against extracorporeal entities at all. Not seeing, experiencing something never means, it does not exist. The challenge is, can I obtain Information, that I had no previous encounter with. A verifiable fact, that I can not know. I will accept this as proof. Then I ask myself, did Mozart compose his Requiem all by himself – or did he listen to Cosmic radio – and copied the notes as good as the terminally ill man was. The other question is, does it any good to try to force any encounter – like King Saul did? Did Napoleon experience a supernatural encounter in the Kings Chamber in the Cheops Pyramid? Did it seal his fate?
raginald7 Mars (1 year ago)
This is my expereince too, I call it Cosmic Radio
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
Yes, sometimes when people speak to me about "my" ideas I tell them that it feels more like ideas that were already there but I happened to sense them
Alan Waller (1 year ago)
Fantastic video. A very important topic... Indeed, the key here is the article's use of "trick", as if the brain had "evil intentions" towards us. It's like the world is constantly trying to hurt you, fool you, and we must watch out and constantly be on the lookout for "trickery". The world wants to "fool" you into thinking you're experiencing this, but ACTUALLY it is that. As some zen story said, if you can't trust yourself then you can't even trust yourself to distrust yourself. Maybe the distrust of your experience is also a trick. It gets very knotted up. In any case great video, loved it!
Alan Waller (1 year ago)
Haha, exactly! That anaesthetic analogy works very well.
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
I agree: even if we bypass the "spirit" model and just assume that the human brain had evolved a lot of survival wisdom over millions of years, and add to that the astronaut's years of training, and that her unconscious had sensed that the only way to break through her panic and communicate a strategy for survival would be to emulate a visitation from another experienced astronaut -- even then it seems ridiculous to dismiss this as just a "trick". It would be like complaining, after a major operation, that the anaesthetist had "fooled me" into thinking it did not hurt.
Neo Phyte (1 year ago)
I don't know, but I'm getting the feeling that most of these phenomena is in our minds, the trick however is that our minds are fare more big than we think. You see, I live with my girlfriend and she has her family in the country, so sometimes she goes to visit them, and I would be alone in the house for a couple of days. And I can feel how my mind expands and sort of takes over if you will, the whole vibe changes, I can totally get what you said about the Abramelin operation going in a completely diferent way when you were alone, I think it has to do with what I think. If we are alone, our mind takes over and it is much more probable that we get to see its full extent. Shareing the same space with other people serves as a boundary for our mind I think. Now I'm not saying spirts, god or demons don't exist, I'm just saying each day I'm more convinced that our minds are way bigger than we think.
Neo Phyte (1 year ago)
Ramsey Dukes your last book is in my "must read" list, so I'll let you know what I think for shure. Regarding these ideas, the other day I was watching a video about the last golden down temple with direct lineage to Matters, the Whare Ra temple in New Zeland, and somebody made a comment intending to bash the whole magical thinking saying something like:" there's no such thing as magic, it's all autosugestion and imagination", and I thought so what? It still adds value to one's life so it doesn't have to be "real". The example of the movie that you used in a previous video comes to mind, some people get too stuck in the scientifc worldview demanding everything to be tested for autenticity, missing the value of just experince and feeling.
Ramsey Dukes (1 year ago)
"our minds are way bigger than we think" - that is very much a theme in later parts of "My Years of Magical Thinking" , especially Part 6
Neo Phyte (1 year ago)
I can't watch this right now, I'm at the beach with a very limited internet connection, so I'll wach it when I come back to the city, but I hitted the like button anyways, I just know it's gonna be good! ;)

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